This Thursday, Dinos Chapman’s AV show hits Fabric - a surreal mix of tracks from Chapman's debut album Luftbobler amid a series of short films and an impressive DJ roster including Trevor Jackson and Jarvis Cocker, all put on by The Vinyl Factory. In the build-up we’ve been running exclusive premieres and teasers, with one last trick up our sleeves. We're treating you to a bumper edition of exclusives - first up is a teaser video of Chapman's own recordings for the AV show: fusing show clips and throwback imagery from Dinos' most recent video for Luv2H8, it's a technicolour nightmare involving a bunny rabbit costume, tripped out visuals and a rifle.
Following last week's premiere of Trevor Jackson's Luftbobler, we're also premiering new track, "The Combine" off of the forthcoming EP, Luv2H8. At over eight minutes, the track jitters along to a slow-burn beat with an eerie, bitter after-taste. Listen to it below and check out our head to head between Trevor Jackson and Dinos.
Trevor Jackson: I suppose with the art world, in fact, it’s such a commerce issue. I think the great thing about music is that you can make music with no money whatsoever; you don’t need anybody to represent you. The fact that you can just get your music out there online or just put it in a shop, be it a cassette or a CD or a vinyl.
Dinos Chapman: That’s true, I think that’s absolutely true.
Trevor Jackson: I think it must be very hard now to feel like a failed musician in that you can be creative and, at least, people can experience what you’ve done whereas if you're an artist and you haven’t got a gallery representing you, it’s so hard.
Dinos Chapman: Also the investment on the listener’s part is quite small.
Trevor Jackson: Going back to what you said that it’s interesting in that some artists could literally fart and they could charge for that.
Dinos Chapman: I’ve tried that.
I think the problem with 'art-music', or music as art, is that the art is kind of the top end of the bracket of the equation and music is subordinate to the art.
Trevor Jackson: But you’re an artist whose work, some of it, sells for crazy amounts of money but yet you’re doing something that’s a Vinyl Factory release for 12” for £10. It’s quite interesting that you probably don’t have the ego to assume that every single thing you do has such a high value to it.
Dinos Chapman: I think the problem with 'art-music', or music as art, is that the art is kind of the top end of the bracket of the equation and music is subordinate to the art. I mean, my brother makes music as well, both of us are absolutely adamant that what we do is music.
Trevor Jackson: Obviously when you approach your art, there are many different reasons why you have to do it but when you're making these sounds – why did you do it?
Dinos Chapman: Because I was interested. I’ve always been interested in unconventional music and experimental music and kind of, soundtracks. I like things that kind of become orphaned.
Trevor Jackson: I was asked to do a remix and I wasn’t that sure how to go about it. I watched the Fact interview about how you didn’t want to be proficient. I remember when I started making music, I didn’t know what the hell I was doing; I just pushed buttons and things happened and throughout the past 20 odd years, I’ve honed my skills to a point where I think I’m proficient but at the same time I’ve also lost something in that process. When I do a remix normally, and don’t take this the wrong way, I usually spend two to three weeks but I probably spent a day and a half doing it and I got to that point at the end of the day and I was thinking normally I’d say “I need to do another few versions” and then I listened to it and thought, “actually it sounds good – why am I thinking so much about it?”
Dinos Chapman: You realize that everything is only a version of something. But that’s what I like about the remix, it’s kind of harsh, it’s very abrasive and I find it very difficult to do that.
Trevor Jackson: Yeah, the album's pretty harsh. When you’re making music, are you thinking visually?
Dinos Chapman: When I’m making music I tend to have videos on, I quite often have YouTube stuff as well. Horror, science fiction, anything. It’s kind of like I want to stop myself concentrating on things because when I start concentrating on things, you start locking things up and having ideas. I don’t want to have ideas. I want to be surprised by what happens.
I don’t want to have ideas. I want to be surprised by what happens
Trevor Jackson: Going on to the live shows. For me, I never perform live. I’ve done it once and I don’t think I’ll ever do it again, it doesn’t interest me mainly because I’m scared to do it. But for you, to go from being worried about what the people think of the music, that’s quite a thing, going to a live show?
Dinos Chapman: I like being scared. I like that. I’d rather do something that I find exciting and scary than something that’s not exciting and not scary.
Trevor Jackson: And are you doing the same show every time or is it improvised?
Dinos Chapman: It’s always different.
Trevor Jackson: That’s great.
Dinos Chapman: Mainly because I wouldn’t be able to do it the same. The thing with playing live is that I want to get something out of it. I know you’ve only done it once but as I was playing I was thinking “Yep, I understand this; I understand the thrill of this”.
Trevor Jackson: I think for me, I’m such a control freak as well. In terms of the studio, in terms of the way I create music – where elements are, even though I’m having fun with it, it’s so hard to recreate that in a live situation, it’s almost impossible. I think the live experience is more about a communication. It’s about having people there, you’re feeling something from them. Maybe that’s something that doesn’t interest me so much, I don’t know. I don’t need to feel that from people – do you know what I mean?
Dinos Chapman: Yeah, no. I think I need it.
Luv2H8 is out on The Vinyl Factory on 14 October.
Dinos' live AV show comes to Fabric this Thursday.
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